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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 12 Feb 2012, 16:37

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 12 Feb 2012, 16:54

Hey Sloth,

Last year you created a quest deck using cards that had abilities the required snow mana. The AI at that time could not use snow mana to pay for activated abilities. I remember testing it at that time.

I suspect that recent mana pool work may have included adding this in as a additional feature. If you still have that deck around it might be worth a quick test at this time. :)
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 12 Feb 2012, 19:56

Chris H. wrote:Hey Sloth,

Last year you created a quest deck using cards that had abilities the required snow mana. The AI at that time could not use snow mana to pay for activated abilities. I remember testing it at that time.

I suspect that recent mana pool work may have included adding this in as a additional feature. If you still have that deck around it might be worth a quick test at this time. :)
Woot. I completely didn't suspect this, but you are right, the AI can use Snow mana now. :D

Thanks for letting me know Chris. And thanks to the one who implemented this (ArsenalNut?).
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 12 Feb 2012, 20:00

Oh, some of those cards may have SVar:RemAIDeck:True and this would be a good time to remove this if there is no AI issue concerning the ab itself.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 12 Feb 2012, 20:03

Sloth wrote:And thanks to the one who implemented this (ArsenalNut?).
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I found this link so it looks like we have ArsenalNut to thank. :)

New "Produce$ Any" feature for AbilityMana

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ArsenalNut wrote:Here's what I have added and fixed

6) fixed AI issues with snow mana
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 12 Feb 2012, 20:17

I finally found your snow deck at message:

Re: Decks for the AI

Sloth wrote:If some of the decks are too hard or too unfun, just tone them down. I don't mind anyone fiddling with my creations.

For a change, I made an easy deck based on snow permanents (sadly the only real synergy the AI is using is Skred)

Easy:
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 13 Feb 2012, 03:08

I spent some time today trying to create another snow mana deck, probably tier 1. I am not sure if all of the card abs can be used by the AI yet. This is just an early rev 1 version.

Snow White | Open
[metadata]
Name=Snow White
Deck Type=Constructed
[main]
1 Adarkar Valkyrie|CSP
4 Arctic Flats|CSP
2 Balduvian Conjurer|ICE
2 Balduvian Frostwaker|CSP
2 Boreal Centaur|CSP
2 Boreal Druid|CSP
3 Boreal Griffin|CSP
4 Boreal Shelf|CSP
1 Centaur Omenreader|FUT
3 Diamond Faerie|CSP
1 Frostweb Spider|CSP
4 Gelid Shackles|CSP
1 Heidar, Rimewind Master|CSP
3 Into the North|CSP
2 Ohran Viper|CSP
2 Phyrexian Ironfoot|CSP
2 Phyrexian Snowcrusher|CSP
1 Rimewind Cryomancer|CSP
1 Scrying Sheets|CSP
9 Snow-Covered Forest|ICE
5 Snow-Covered Island|CSP
1 Snow-Covered Plains|CSP
2 Squall Drifter|CSP
2 Woolly Mammoths|ICE
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 13 Feb 2012, 07:28

Chris H. wrote:I spent some time today trying to create another snow mana deck, probably tier 1. I am not sure if all of the card abs can be used by the AI yet. This is just an early rev 1 version.

Snow White | Open
[metadata]
Name=Snow White
Deck Type=Constructed
[main]
1 Adarkar Valkyrie|CSP
4 Arctic Flats|CSP
2 Balduvian Conjurer|ICE
2 Balduvian Frostwaker|CSP
2 Boreal Centaur|CSP
2 Boreal Druid|CSP
3 Boreal Griffin|CSP
4 Boreal Shelf|CSP
1 Centaur Omenreader|FUT
3 Diamond Faerie|CSP
1 Frostweb Spider|CSP
4 Gelid Shackles|CSP
1 Heidar, Rimewind Master|CSP
3 Into the North|CSP
2 Ohran Viper|CSP
2 Phyrexian Ironfoot|CSP
2 Phyrexian Snowcrusher|CSP
1 Rimewind Cryomancer|CSP
1 Scrying Sheets|CSP
9 Snow-Covered Forest|ICE
5 Snow-Covered Island|CSP
1 Snow-Covered Plains|CSP
2 Squall Drifter|CSP
2 Woolly Mammoths|ICE
[sideboard]
The abilities of the following cards can't be used effectively by the AI: Adarkar Valkyrie, Balduvian Conjurer, Balduvian Frostwaker and Gelid Shackles.

Rimewind Cryomancer is quite a gamble, the AI will try to counter anything, but that should be ok.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 13 Feb 2012, 20:44

Sloth wrote:The abilities of the following cards can't be used effectively by the AI: Adarkar Valkyrie, Balduvian Conjurer, Balduvian Frostwaker and Gelid Shackles.

Rimewind Cryomancer is quite a gamble, the AI will try to counter anything, but that should be ok.
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I replaced the Adarkar Valkyrie, Balduvian Conjurer, Balduvian Frostwaker.

I kept the Gelid Shackles and the Rimewind Cryomancer as this is a tier 1 deck. At some point in the future the AI should be able to handle the Gelid Shackles in a more intelligent fashion. During testing I saw the AI activate the ab during both players turns.

Snow White 1: 2nd revision | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Snow White 1
Title=Snow White
Difficulty=easy
Description=WUG Snow deck with Diamond Faerie, Gelid Shackles and Into the North
Icon=Snow White.jpg
Deck Type=Constructed
[main]
4 Arctic Flats|CSP
3 Boreal Centaur|CSP
2 Boreal Druid|CSP
3 Boreal Griffin|CSP
4 Boreal Shelf|CSP
2 Centaur Omenreader|FUT
3 Diamond Faerie|CSP
2 Frostweb Spider|CSP
3 Gelid Shackles|CSP
1 Heidar, Rimewind Master|CSP
4 Into the North|CSP
3 Ohran Viper|CSP
2 Phyrexian Ironfoot|CSP
3 Phyrexian Snowcrusher|CSP
1 Rimewind Cryomancer|CSP
1 Scrying Sheets|CSP
9 Snow-Covered Forest|ICE
5 Snow-Covered Island|CSP
1 Snow-Covered Plains|CSP
2 Squall Drifter|CSP
2 Woolly Mammoths|ICE
[sideboard]


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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 13 Feb 2012, 21:54

Chris H. wrote:I replaced the Adarkar Valkyrie, Balduvian Conjurer, Balduvian Frostwaker.

I kept the Gelid Shackles and the Rimewind Cryomancer as this is a tier 1 deck. At some point in the future the AI should be able to handle the Gelid Shackles in a more intelligent fashion. During testing I saw the AI activate the ab during both players turns.

Snow White 1: 2nd revision | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Snow White 1
Title=Snow White
Difficulty=easy
Description=WUG Snow deck with Diamond Faerie, Gelid Shackles and Into the North
Icon=Snow White.jpg
Deck Type=Constructed
[main]
4 Arctic Flats|CSP
3 Boreal Centaur|CSP
2 Boreal Druid|CSP
3 Boreal Griffin|CSP
4 Boreal Shelf|CSP
2 Centaur Omenreader|FUT
3 Diamond Faerie|CSP
2 Frostweb Spider|CSP
3 Gelid Shackles|CSP
1 Heidar, Rimewind Master|CSP
4 Into the North|CSP
3 Ohran Viper|CSP
2 Phyrexian Ironfoot|CSP
3 Phyrexian Snowcrusher|CSP
1 Rimewind Cryomancer|CSP
1 Scrying Sheets|CSP
9 Snow-Covered Forest|ICE
5 Snow-Covered Island|CSP
1 Snow-Covered Plains|CSP
2 Squall Drifter|CSP
2 Woolly Mammoths|ICE
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I will take care of Gelid Shackles. Nice avatar by the way. :D
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Re: New quest decks

Postby moomarc » 14 Feb 2012, 05:55

I've uploaded the avatar and updated the download list. :)
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 14 Feb 2012, 15:10

I see that the new Hulk deck needs an Avatar:

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 14 Feb 2012, 16:03

There should be avatars for Owlman, Raven and Ras Al Ghul in the collection of Corwin here: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4458#p57949
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 15 Feb 2012, 00:53

Sloth wrote:There should be avatars for Owlman, Raven and Ras Al Ghul in the collection of Corwin here: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4458#p57949
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I have an archive with four missing avatars for Marc to add to the project.

Joker.jpg
Owlman.jpg
Raven.jpg
Ras AL Ghul.jpg

And a thank you to Corwin for providing this pool of avatars. :)

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 15 Feb 2012, 03:01

I have play tested the Snow White 1 deck today and decided that 29 was too many creatures for a tier 1 deck so I replaced 4 of the creatures with weaker spells.

I also reduced the number of Diamond Faerie from three to two.

The deck now looks like this:

Snow White 1 Rev 3 | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Snow White 1
Title=Snow White
Difficulty=easy
Description=WUG Snow deck with Diamond Faerie, Gelid Shackles and Into the North
Icon=Snow White.jpg
Deck Type=Constructed
[main]
4 Arctic Flats|CSP
2 Boreal Centaur|CSP
2 Boreal Druid|CSP
3 Boreal Griffin|CSP
4 Boreal Shelf|CSP
2 Centaur Omenreader|FUT
2 Diamond Faerie|CSP
1 Dreams of the Dead|ICE
2 Frostweb Spider|CSP
3 Gelid Shackles|CSP
1 Heidar, Rimewind Master|CSP
4 Into the North|CSP
2 Ohran Viper|CSP
2 Phyrexian Ironfoot|CSP
3 Phyrexian Snowcrusher|CSP
1 Rimewind Cryomancer|CSP
1 Scrying Sheets|CSP
1 Snow Devil|ICE
9 Snow-Covered Forest|ICE
5 Snow-Covered Island|CSP
1 Snow-Covered Plains|CSP
1 Squall Drifter|CSP
1 Updraft|ICE
1 Warning|ICE
2 Woolly Mammoths|ICE
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