Forge Beta: 05-04-2012 ver 1.2.7

[Kersed]

This here is a bug that's quite special
I play Glimmerpoint Stag, it enters the battlefield and exiles target permanent.
After that I exile it with my Venser, the Sojourner.
At the beginning of my end step, two abilities go on the stack.
1. The via my Glimmerpoint Stag exiled permanent returns.
2. Glimmerpoint Stag returns to the battlefield.
It begins from the top, so at first Glimmerpoint Stag returns,
then I can exile another permanent because of its Etb ability, then the exiled permanent from when I played Glimmerpoint Stag should return to my opponent's battlefield.
Now there's the bug, it doesn't return the card exiled when playing Glimmerpoint Stag, but the card that was exiled at the moment before, when Glimmerpoint Stag entered the battlefield due to Venser's ability.
This goes even further.
This card that already returned to the opponent's battlefield should return at the opponent's end step. The ability triggers at his end step, but it was already returned during my end step. So it does nothing and the card exiled when playing Glimmerpoint Stag from my hand stays exiled forever although it shouldn't.

Edit:
Another problem with Glimmerpoint Stag - not too different from the other one I've posted but not as hard to describe.
When you flicker Glimmerpoint Stag two times by a Nephalia Smuggler and exile two
permanents, it does only return one of them at the beginning of the end step.
The two abilities trigger separately how they should at the end of turn, but only one of the card returns.
It seems that the second exiling changes the card that is affected by the return-trigger of the first exiling.

Edit 2: The problem does not only occur with Glimmerpoint Stag, it is the same
with Flickerwisp. So it is not because of the card, but because of the programming of the flicker-effects themselves (at least that is what I think ).

From the rulings on Glimmerpoint Stag from Gatherer:

1/1/2011 If Glimmerpoint Stag somehow enters the battlefield during a turn's end step, the exiled card won't be returned to the battlefield until the beginning of the following turn's end step.

I think this is what you're describing.

[Symphonic]

From the rulings on Glimmerpoint Stag from Gatherer:

1/1/2011 If Glimmerpoint Stag somehow enters the battlefield during a turn's end step, the exiled card won't be returned to the battlefield until the beginning of the following turn's end step.

I think this is what you're describing.

Yes, this is exactly how it should work.
But it doesn't - Instead of returning it at the opponent's (following turn's) end step, the permanent that is exiled when Glimmerpoint Stag enters the battlefield due to Venser, the Sojourner 's ability returns immediately.

[JamesAbrams]

Okay... I'm really sorry, but for the life of me I can NOT find the download link. Where is it?!?!?!

[moomarc]

Okay... I'm really sorry, but for the life of me I can NOT find the download link. Where is it?!?!?!

The link is at the bottom of the first post in this thread. Just choose the version for your OS. Whenever a new beta is released (every 3-5 weeks) a new post is stickied and follows the same format.

[Milod]

why is SVar:BuffedBy:Creature removed from silverblade paladin? using latest forge

[Phoenix]

When I cast Chrome Mox and exile an Eldrazi creature, the mox doesn't produce colorless mana.
The rules just say nonland and nonartifact cards.

So other colorless cards should let Chrome Mox produce colorless mana.

[Hellfish]

Nope, sorry. Colorless is not a color so Chrome Mox will see that the Eldrazi has no colors at all and thus produce no mana.

[Symphonic]

I cannot play Remand. The card just moves to the left side of the battlefield and back again into my hand.

[Sloth]

I cannot play Remand. The card just moves to the left side of the battlefield and back again into my hand.

Was a valid target on the stack?

[Jaedayr]

I attacked with Contagious Nim, enhanced with Skeletal Grimace. AI blocked with Boreal Centaur and Ohran Viper. My Nim went to the graveyard during First Strike phase, doing no damage to either of the defenders, instead of what I expected to happen which was it doing damage then going to the graveyard at the end of combat.

[sagephoenix]

According to gatherer, Phyrexian Devourer is creature type construct, not creature type devourer.

[cc-drake]

- When I'm playing to fast, I still get again and again these Exceptions:

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Version:
Forge version 1.2.7-r15448

OS: Windows XP Version: 5.1 Architecture: x86

Java Version: 1.6.0_31 Vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc.

Detailed error trace:
java.lang.NullPointerException
   at forge.gui.framework.SDisplayUtil$1$1.run(SDisplayUtil.java:62)
   at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventQueue.access$000(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventQueue$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventQueue$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
   at java.security.AccessControlContext$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
   at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)


This one triggers always when I click on a card while an animation is shown since the new gui made it in.

- When I attack and AI blocks, when I switch to the "Stack"-Panel and back to the "Combat"-Panel, the "Combat"-Panel is empty (but still shows a number <> 0 in it's title).

- In Developer mode, I'm unable to see AI's hand which makes investigating bugs often impossible.

I will stop testing Forge until the bugs above are fixed, since playing with them can be really frustrating.

By the way: Would it be posible to show the panel titles only if there is more than one panel in a container? This would save some space on the screen.

[Chris H.]

- In Developer mode, I'm unable to see AI's hand which makes investigating bugs often impossible.

 
Hmm, using yesterday's snapshot build I was able to see the computer's cards in it's hand. This does not work for you?
 

[cc-drake]

- In Developer mode, I'm unable to see AI's hand which makes investigating bugs often impossible.

Hmm, using yesterday's snapshot build I was able to see the computer's cards in it's hand. This does not work for you?

Hmm, I tried again and realized that Developer mode was disabled. I guess the "Dev Mode"-Panel is shown regardless? However, now it works fine.

[Chris H.]

Hmm, I tried again and realized that Developer mode was disabled. I guess the "Dev Mode"-Panel is shown regardless? However, now it works fine.

 
Doublestrike is still working on the UI and it is not yet finished and we need to give him some time.

Designing a UI can be tricky, as in what would be the most intuitive design.

I launched forge and turned off dev mode in the preferences view and then relaunched forge and started a match.

The dev mode panel is still displayed and the dev mode buttons appear to still be accessible. I was able to add mana to my mana pool. I was able to view the computer's hand during the do I want to mulligan stage but was not able to view the computer's hand after the game started.

It still needs some work.

I think that we want to have the dev mode panel visible when dev mode is turned off. But the buttons should not work and the dev panel should be greyed out? I think that this might be intuitive?